[dev] New Ranking System scheduled next

[Zeras]

As Eve stated, we did not work on the ranking system with this update because we wanted to focus entirely on the Player Market which was more complex than any other part of the game. In any case ..

We are now working on the details for a new ranking system that will be a lot more fun than the current system. In fact, it will be somewhat similar to the original ranking system when the public beta launched. However, there will be several new aspects integrated that have been learned and picked up from the other ranking systems we used.

The bottom line is that rankings should ..

.. matter to everyone
.. not be too volatile
.. hurt you if you lose
.. in some manner count when other players attack you
.. be hard to manipulate

..... and most importantly ... the rankings should not allow farming easy wins to be as beneficial as defeating more capable opponents.

As for the current system, we have switched back to the larger battle sample pool when determining rank in order to keep the rankings more stable. Doing this will cause a lot of rank jumping for the first 24-48 hours but it should become much more stable after that. That should handle the ranking problem until the new ranking system is implemented.

-Z

[Dragother]

Gracias.

Ohh blast it.

Thanx.

[sparkyd]

AWESOME!! Thanks for the update.

[Pink Taco]

I have noticed I droped way down in ranking while trying to save EPs. Will it take longer to inch back up to single digit pages?

[SamuriFish]

Great. I never really liked the current ranking system, and I think it is very good that rankings will finally matter, up until now your rank was only for your pride.

[Vikings4ever]

Great. I never really liked the current ranking system, and I think it is very good that rankings will finally matter, up until now your rank was only for your pride.

And determining how much experience you would get from battles.

[Eve]

It was hard to watch everyone suffer the drops and jumps and keep this secret.. But hey, we sometimes don't know what to do until the problems start, giving us reason to reevaluate some more! We switched because the original methods weren't working how we wanted, but we have since discovered ways to make that a more reliable, stable system so we are eager to switch back to the improved "new" rankings.

[Lady Vengeance]

I'm looking forward to this ranking system update. It was getting a bit crazy with this jumping back and forth in the ranks.

[Dragother]

Out of Chaos comes opportunity.

[jujube]

Sounds great. After all, the rankings should pretty much be the end all be all. They've been the most important thing to me and I've often been proud of my ranking if there are few or no people ahead of me with lower ratings, etc.

[Harrison]

Great!!! im up to 16

[noramcmahon]

Great!!! im up to 16


Great!!!! I'm down to 226. I will be working on that.

[Qozux]

the problem with the first system was that lower people could only ever catch higher people if the higher ones stopped playing.
how do you plan to combat this?

[snowman]

Out of Chaos comes opportunity.Could not have said it better myself...I'm excited to see how this will all work.

[Zeras]

the problem with the first system was that lower people could only ever catch higher people if the higher ones stopped playing.
how do you plan to combat this?
We have a solution :)

-Z

[Qozux]

We have a solution :)

-Z
I was sure u did.
I was asking what it was.
I hate you guys and you're ambiguity sometimes.

[Harrison]

dang ..i dropped 200+ spots

[Qozux]

dang ..i dropped 200+ spots
the new system isn't active yet.

[SamuriFish]

the new system isn't active yet.

Really? I dropped 200 spots, but I thought it would be like usual, where I bounced right back up after the next ranking update. Not the case, if still down at around 150 even after fighting a bunch of people on the first page. Im fine with it becuase Im getting some nice EXP, but it would be really annoying if I was still down their by the time rankings actually mattered.

[jujube]

Really? I dropped 200 spots, but I thought it would be like usual, where I bounced right back up after the next ranking update. Not the case, if still down at around 150 even after fighting a bunch of people on the first page. Im fine with it becuase Im getting some nice EXP, but it would be really annoying if I was still down their by the time rankings actually mattered.ditto. Dropped from 14 to 313. I've fought about 15 battles against nobody but page 1 and 2, won all but one of them and am still around 170.

I would like to say that getting all those wins translated to a bunch of neat loot but I'm sad to say I don't need another dagger debuff I. At least my exp went up one.

[deathbagel]

ditto. Dropped from 14 to 313. I've fought about 15 battles against nobody but page 1 and 2, won all but one of them and am still around 170.

I would like to say that getting all those wins translated to a bunch of neat loot but I'm sad to say I don't need another dagger debuff I. At least my exp went up one.
Yea, I dropped from 4th to page 10.. working my way back up now.. like you guys said.. at least I'm getting nice XP :)

[_slic_]

well I for one am really really upset about the ranking changes about to be implimented .... somehow under the current system I have had the number 2 spot bestowed on me and that is where I want to stay ..... so if you would please make a new ranking for everybody but me..... if that wouldnt be too much trouble of course :D

disclaimer....... nothing in this postis to be taken seriously...... ;)

now onto the serious stuff:
Im actually looking forward to a ranking system that rewards who you beat as well as who beats you. I hope, however, that you take into account that the people atthe top will by neccessity be beating the other people at the top .....repeatedly.... my concern is that losing repeatedly to the same person will cost the losr too much and cause him to tumble down the rankings.... im sure you all have thought about that and take it into account as well....

is it just me or is this game geting exciting again?:)

[Qozux]

is it just me or is this game geting exciting again?:)
it's just you.... jk
I agree, since we've all started to recover from the DB wipe, we can actually start having fun again.

[brownhelmets]

I know it seems like we gripe a lot, but we do appreciate your work.

[N00l3SaUcE]

i didnt understand how the new ranking system is working, i went 5-0 and moved up 2000 ranks but that was from attacking ppl in the 2000s, is it based on kdr or something?

[mora]

It seems to be working fine, maybe you should hold off on it, and nerf mages first. :)

[deathbagel]

It seems to be working fine, maybe you should hold off on it, and nerf mages first. :)
I say nerf Odin, he beats me all the time.. and he's a swordmonkey like you! You should PM him and see if he'll share his wisdom.. :)

The only mages you guys really complain about all have HUGE ratings.. because we're loaded with rares and UR's.. once you guys are in all rares and UR's you'll be just as good as us.

[N00l3SaUcE]

that might take a while because most of the items im getting are for mages :rolleyes:

[Rasputin the Rover]

I'm glad there is a new ranking system. At no time did a newbie like me deserve a 39 ranking just because I was battling alot for exp. Hopefully it will take some of the guessing out of your opponents experience.

[SoCalBroncoFan]

Will the new ranking system include battles that you do not initiate?

It seems that these shoudl count for something. If someone attacks me and wins and gets a benefit from it, I want to get a benefit if someone attacks me and loses.

[_slic_]

I dont know how much is decided about the new rating sysytem but I had a couple of thoughts.....

in battles that you initiate : losing while attacking up should matter alot less than battles lost attacking down

in battles you do not initiate people farming you from above should not matter, howevr people who beat you fom below should .....but only to the extent that they rank ahead of you. if the player below you farms you exclusively because he cannot beat anyone higher you should only drop 1 spot due to these circumstances not more just because you lose alot to him.... if other people from below are beating you too thats a different story.

while winning alot of battles is nice, that shouldnt automatically help you keep a high rank.

IDEALLY you should not be able to beat anybody above you ob a regular basis and shoulf be able to beat those below you on a regular basis.....

obviously you will have to attack down to win alot so the amount of spots down you attack should matter....

and there should be a level of inactivity that triggers an automatic drop in rank ,,,

I know its hard to come up with rankings that work because if it were that easy you would have hit on it by now..... keep up the good work and keep fighting for those ideal rankings.... like somebody else said...the rankings should be the main measuring stick for whose the best...and right now they are close but no cogar :)